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Robin Hordon is a former air traffic controller and licensed commercial pilot. He is also a pioneer of CI, “civil informationing.” If you have been to professional sporting events in Seattle you may have seen him out front with his 9/11 truth banner.
In this interview Robin discusses 9/11 aviation issues. Did some or all of the four airliners said to have been hijacked on 9/11 actually take off, fly on the official story’s flight paths, and crash in the officially-designated locations? If so were they flown manually, by onboard computer, or remotely?
Spoiler: Robin says that the flights did exist and take off, one one the planes may have been swapped with a drone, and one of them did not end up where the government said it did. To find out which ones, listen to the interview!
Disclaimer: I doubt that Robin is 100% right about the scenarios discussed in this show. But I hope to look more closely at the evidence supporting his interpretations. Some of it will be presented at the Conference on the 9/11 Pentagon Evidence in Denver on May 4 which Robin plans to attend.
From Robin:
Kevin,
I did not say anything about the multiple debris sites out in Shanksville…but there were at least three debris sites which inform me…
1. …the impact crater which when I look at some pictures from above I see the outlines of a low winged “under wing engined ” aircraft with
ONE engine missing AND an impact mark showing the vertical stabilizer… [the hole seems smallish-but the wing impacts are visible]…
2. …the debris FROM the PAX on UA93 scattered about “Indian Lake” several miles away indicating an early breach of the fuselage…
3. …the FBI reports that a turbojet engine had impacted a neighborhood driveway some 1000-2000 feet [or yards] away from the impact
crater…there are good PICs of both craters but I’m not sure IF the FBI let out any PICs of the damaged engine itself…
Each of these crash sites supports a “shoot-down” hypothesis..and when the following is added…
…several eyewitnesses SAW the airliner heading downward [upside down too] just before it crashed…
…this includes a fairly unknown eyewitness who was working at junk yard which was atop a nearby hill…he watched the whole thing…
…jet aircraft debris was dug out and stored in a large metal container…we have PICs…
…a PIC of ONE [the other] turbojet engine at the edge of the above mentioned impact hole [Massimo Mazzucco’s film]…
…a pile or assemblage of human remains at or from, the crash site…
And finally, my continuing and CONFIRMING research regarding ATC actions-procedures…pilot-ATC comms…pilot sightings OF such a huge airliner in the area…similar analyses of the radar and flight TRACKING data for the entire flight [up until about 6000′ above ground before impact]…all combine to assert that UA93 crashed [and most likely it was shot-down] AT the well known site in Shanksville. More research to come, but at this moment in time, the following stands:
…it is no longer viable for ANYONE in the 9/11 Truth Movement to take a position that there was no airliner crash at Shanksville…
…nor that it wasn’t UA93 because the flight was NEVER lost to positive radar contact…
[unlike AA77? which WAS lost to positive radar contact and then later only PRESUMED to be the primary target at the Pentagon…]
And finally, Pilots for 9/11 Truth:
…has been CAUGHT fabricating flight data about G forces at the Pentagon…
…has been CAUGHT dis-informing people about “Impossible Speeds” never once mentioning “never exceed” nor “max dive” speeds…
…has been CAUGHT dis-informing people using psy-op animations and dissociated videos showing their “fall apart in the sky” postulations…
…has been CAUGHT dis-informing people about the impossibility of high speed flight at low heights above ground…
Indeed, when I did the research using THEIR OWN EVIDENCE supporting the “Impossibility of High Speed Flight”, I dug into the NTSB crash reports for Egypt Air 999 and Air China 006,…AND also looked into the flight test videos and data compiled BY Airbus when they test flew there massive A380, and found the following: [again, its THEIR information offered?]
Egypt Air 999, which did exceed normal operational speeds, did fall apart IN PART because of the excessive speeds…and it did experience structural failures BUT…this was AFTER SEVERAL MASSIVE DIVES FOLLOWED BY MASSIVE G-FORCE PULL-UPS…and NOT just the uber speeds. [Note: NONE of the four airliners came EVEN CLOSE to such aberrant flight profiles, speeds or structural forces…]
Air China 006, a B747 lost an engine while flying at the very top of its allowable “flight envelope”, and as a result, both lost speed [lift] and yawed towards the lost engine. This increased the lift on the other wing and reduced the lift on the wing that lost the engine causing the B747 to immediately flip over into a uber high speed nose dive for a few minutes. Finally the pilot[s] “found the horizon” out over the Pacific Ocean NIGHT [a very hard thing to find] and pulled the nose up causing a 5.3 G force permanently reshaping the wing “up sweep”. How do we know this? Because the flight, after exceeding all the normal operating speeds in its few moments of a 90 degree nose dive, went on to land safely at SFO.
AND…the damage done to the horizontal stabilizers which P4T, and unfortunately Mazzucco used to PROVE that uber high speed flight caused airframe failure], proved THE EXACT OPPOSITE! How and why you ask??? While P4T claimed that the tips of the horizontal stabilizers came off due to uber speeds…the NTSB report shows that the 5.3G “pull-up” caused the massive “landing gear up locking mechanisms” failed and as a result, the landing gear doors opened up into the uber speed airflow…and they tore off flying backward into the horizontal stabilizers!
SO, its was the landing gear doors that hit the tips of the horizontal stabilizers damaging them. P4T did not even READ the entire NTSB report and only tricked the public and Mazzucco into believing, and using, [respectively], their conclusion that such airliners CANNOT fly at such uber speeds without falling apart!
Again in this research…after the B747 blew past ALL normal operational speeds and the landing gear doors blew off hitting the tail feathers…IT LANDED SAFELY AT San Francisco!!!
In conclusion: P4T’s own evidence proves exactly the opposite of what they claim…and all of this should now make it clear that the NON-EXPERTS such as yourself and other Truthers…KNOW NOT OF WHAT YOU SPEAK!
Therefore, P4T’s analyses about communications with UA93 after the alleged crash time of 10:03 proving that the airliner never crashed, simply has to be questioned as to its reliability!
My POV is that UA93 impacted at 10:06 [not 10:03] with those last three minutes of the CVR hidden to HIDE “crashing comments and noises” in the cockpit.
And indeed, I’m still involved in doing just that because NONE of the four airliners’ stories are fully written…YET!
BUT: Here is what is factual:
AA11 departed Boston and struck the north tower…still more to be discovered…
UA175 departed Boston and struck the south tower…still more to be discovered…
UA93 departed Newark 40 minutes LATE [totally wrecking the HI PERPS’ timing and plan]…and thus, needed to be shot down…
and that indeed happened in Shanksville…still MUCH more to be discovered…
AA77 departed Dulles flown by Chic Burlingame, who in 2000 did a “red Team-Blue Team” analysis of the defense preparedness FOR THE PENTAGON…and this aircraft:
…was LOST to positive radar contact…
…was NEVER POSITIVELY RE-RADAR IDENTIFIED…
…has NEVER BEEN identified by using TIME STAMPED SERIAL NUMBERED PARTS associated WITH that aircraft…
…has NEVER BEEN identified as a function of finding an FDR or CVR with serial numbers associating them WITH that airliner…
Therefore, there IS NO POSITIVE PROOF…that the aircraft debris was that of AA77 flown by Burlingame? And you should know that there are major issues regarding the “chain of custody” of the “body parts” found inside the Pentagon…and WHEN they were actually found. So, it IS POSSIBLE…that AA77? was “swapped out” right after it was “lost to positive radar contact” out over eastern Ohio. MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more work to be done on this hypothesis.
Please do some thinking here. the FACT IS…that in a “swapping scenario”, the pilot of the original flight …[the one being “swapped out”]…HAS to be in on the swapping scenario from the beginning. Most likely this was accomplished by the pilot being part of a “live fly war game excercise” [such as what Operation Northwoods” called for]. Offered just as an example of such a possibility.
So, Burlingame may have had an innocent “military live-fly War Game” role to play on 9/11/2001 when he took off with AA77…which was minimally occupied by an interesting number of Pentagon, Intel, and other military industrial complex “insiders”…AYE?
And a final point to consider here: I ask YOU Kevin…if YOU were to be in charge of modifying a B757 into being an “explosives laden drone” to be “swapped in” for a discrete destructive mission, would you leave all the serial numbers in place within that aircraft…OR…
…would you take the steps needed to make it very difficult to trace ownership OF that B757 backward in time by scrubbing all of the
serial numbers off of all the parts, and off of the FDR and CVR…before the flight?
Whaddya think Kev??? At least and interesting: HMMMM?
You see Kevin, you and others who spout OLD 9/11 Tropes without doing the latest research are now “willingly ignorant” regarding 9/11 Truth…and also quite disrespectful of Truthers, mostly expert, who have not stopped doing research FOR WHICH they are qualified. Yet YOU and far too many Truthers??? have HAVE ALSO STOPPED updating and re-thinking!
Its a HUGE PROBLEM NOW…in that “Truthers” are now “Deniers”…aka…those citizens who they used to call: “SHEEPLE!…
Do you get this Kevin? 9/11 Truthers’ roles have been reversed…aka…9/11 Truth has been “re-punked”…and this time by themselves and of course, being happily helped out by our friendly infiltrators!
peace…
robin hordon
Kingston, WA