Truth Jihad Radio Wed. 4/13/11, 1-3 pm Central, American Freedom Radio (archived here.) Call-in number: (402) 237-2525 or post your questions to my Facebook page.
First hour: Lenni Brenner, historian. Lenni Brenner is the author of 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis – an update of his 1983 classic Zionism in the Age of the Dictators. He is also the author of The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir (read it on-line here), Jews in America Today, and The Lesser Evil, a history of the Democratic party.
Lenni Brenner’s meticulous work documents the extent to which Zionism and Nazism are not merely two sides of the same coin (fanatical European nationalism that demonizes and ethnically cleanses Semitic or allegedly-Semitic peoples), but that the two movements cooperated closely during the formative stages of the Zionist entity. Listen to one of his 51 documents, a late 1940 proposal by the NMO (the forerunner of the IDF) to enter the war on the side of the Nazis: “The NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.” (p. 301)
Second hour: Adam Syed, coordinator of the new website http://911discussion.com/ . 911Discussion.com looks like a promising alternative to 911blogger.com, where sensible and balanced moderation, and free and open discussion, have been conspicuous by their absence. Adam Syed, a professional violinist, is also a member of Actors and Artists for 9/11 Truth.
Comments on the multiple ironies just in Barrett's introduction to the discussion with Lenni Brenner:
There is no excuse in the age of population genetics for believing the dumb on its face idea that Ashkenazi Jews are European in origin. Kevin MacDonald pointed this out on Barrett's show quite recently!
In fact the novel idea that Ashkenazis are not semitic was popularised most by Arthur Koestler expressly to boost Jewish interests:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe
quoting: The theory that the majority of Ashkenazic Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theorists[26][27] and antisemitic sources[27][28][29][30] in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary,[31] and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs[32][33][34]) who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to downplay the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own. For more detail on this controversy, see below… Koestler, an Ashkenazi Jew himself, was pro-Zionist based on secular considerations, and did not see alleged Khazar ancestry as diminishing the claim of Jews to Israel, which he felt was based on the United Nations mandate, and not on Biblical covenants or genetic inheritance. In his view, "The problem of the Khazar infusion a thousand years ago … is irrelevant to modern Israel". In addition, he was apparently "either unaware of or oblivious to the use anti-Semites had made to the Khazar theory since its introduction at the turn of the century." … Koestler told French biologist Pierre Debray-Ritzen he "was convinced that if he could prove that the bulk of Eastern European Jews (the ancestors of today's Ashkenazim) were descended from the Khazars, the racial basis for anti-Semitism would be removed and anti-Semitism itself could disappear" /endquotes
The other irony is that certain people are so disinclined to pin the abuses of Zionism on a non-White people and so willing to blame Whites precisely because we've all been subjected to decades of anti-White, pro-non-White propaganda crafted chiefly by designing Jews. Barrett the fearless foe of Jewry is actually a dupe of Jewry.
It's also important that his listeners know what he obviously does not: the idea of Zionism did not even originate among Ashkenazi asian colonists of the West, it was born in the communities of Baghdadi Jews living in east asia. From a review of Maisie J. Meyer, From the Rivers of Babylon to the Whangpoo: A Century of Sephardi Jewish Life in Shanghai (Lanham, MD; New York; and Oxford: University Press of America, 2003.), quote:
While at an early stage in the book Meyer mentions Baghdad’s long-serving (1859-1909) ecclesiastical authority Hakham Yosef Hayyim, she does not involve him in her discussion of Shanghai Zionism (pp. 171-190). She sees that phenomenon as largely the creation of N.E.B. Ezra between 1903 and 1936, when Ezra led the Shanghai Zionist Association (SZA) and edited Israel’s Messenger. However, prior to Ezra, Hayyim was a powerful force inculcating pre-Herzlian Zionism among Baghdadis in India, Burma, the Straits Settlements, Hong Kong, Shanghai, the Philippines, the Dutch East Indies, and elsewhere. He urged his brethren to visit and settle the Land of Israel long before Theodor Herzl’s establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO) in 1896, with which the SZA was affiliated, and even before the founding of the WZO’s predecessor organizations, Hovevei Zion and BILU. (8)
Note:
8. See David S. Sassoon, History of the Jews in Baghdad (Letchworth, U.K.: S. D. Sassoon, 1949), p. 217. /endquote
I never claimed to be a "fearless foe of Jewry." Quite the opposite. I am a fearless friend of humanity, and I generally find Jewish people to be just as likable as anyone else. What I don't like is aggression, ethnic cleansing, violent nationalism, etc., whether its victims are Jewish, Palestinian, or anything else. Also, I don't like lies. Zionism was and remains built on big lies (see Alan Hart) and ethnic cleansing (see Ilan Pappe).
Long after I posted this quote at your blog, Kevin, you continued to use the term ‘European settler colonialism’ for a program you had been informed was initiated by Asian settler colonists, and which always included Asian and African settlers thereafter.
You say you don’t like lies. Your use of ‘European’ ever after I say was a lie, because you knew it was false, and you used it to gull your readers.
I know this all to be true because I informed you of your basic error, and later observed you repeating the falsehood, and then, critically, heard you on one radio show, perhaps with Azaziah, it was that era, express explicitly the idea that the idea of European colonialism vs. Palestine was useful politically in our culture that disprivileged Whites.
You’re a walking moral calamity, Barrett.
Just wanted to congratulate you on some great interviews lately. Davidson Loehr and Anab Whitehouse; Cynthia McKinney and Philp Giraldi. Wow — great listening and wonderful analysis. I now look forward to listening to your program on a daily basis.
It was your interviews with Lenni Brenner and Adam Syed, however, that really got me thinking. Although I enjoyed the Brenner inteview, something you said during the Sayed interview really put things in perspective. I believe you said something like this, "When you repeat someone's frame — even if you're against it — what that means is that everytime we talk about 9/11…we are reinforcing the psyop of 9/11." Wow, never were truer words spoken. And never were truer words spoken that could apply equally well to Lenni Brenner and the holocaust.
Although the Brenner interview had the aura of being informative, what it did in reality was reinforce the psyop of The Holocaust — the seminal event that proffered moral justification for the theft of Arab land and the dispossession and murder of millions of Arabs. So, by your own words, whether the Zionists conspired to join forces with the NAZIS is irrelevant — just as is talk of 19 Arab hijackers! In fact, it's obfuscatory. When the zionist frame was repeated on your program, you reinforced the fraud known as the holocaust. Although your words referred to 9/11, I trust you can appreciate the irony.
Looking forward to more great interviews!
Thanks for the feedback! I think your point about Brenner and the holocaust is interesting…though I'm not sure that talking about "Nazis & Zionists" reinforces the holocaust frame. It seems to me we have at least two different frames. Frame 1: Jews/Zionists = heroic persecuted victims of evil Nazis. This is the mainstream, Zionist-controlled media's favorite. Frame 2: Zionism = Nazism. This frame sees the two extremist Euro-nationalist movements as very similar, and goes along with "whatever the Germans did to the Jews, it can't possibly justify the theft of a single square foot of Palestinian land." I find this one both accurate and useful from a PR perspective. (Then there's a potential frame three, "Zionism is WORSE than Nazism" that culminates in "the Jews are the bad guys, the Nazis were the good guys. Personally I think this one takes valid critiques of frame 1 to absurd extremes.)
Kevin
Interesting video by Jim Condit Jr. here for those interested:
http://mrfriendsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/final-solution-to-adolf-hitler.html
Your frame 2 comes closest…I imagined the frame thusly: "Yes, there was this group of uber-radicals who wanted to be on the winning side after the smoke cleared in WWII, which is why they approached the German gov't. And really, who could blame them? After all, everyone likes to be a winner. Were they prepared to sacrfice some jewish lives to accomplish this? Perhaps. However, putting that untidy matter aside, the holocaust STILL happened just the way we've said it happened — only with approx. 5.2 million deaths rather than 6 million." (Brenner's emendation)
So even though Brenner appears to be a turncoat by exposing the zionists for the proto-fascists they are, he's still keeping the overall myth of the holocaust alive. Still feeding the psyop which was so necessary to the state of Israel. This almost reminds me of what has been called a "limited hangout" by intelligence services — you know, where they divulge a bit of the embarrassing truth in order to keep the larger conspiracy intact.
Your frame 2 comes closest…I imagined the frame thusly: "Yes, there was this group of uber-radicals who wanted to be on the winning side after the smoke cleared in WWII, which is why they approached the German gov't. And really, who could blame them? After all, everyone likes to be a winner. Were they prepared to sacrfice some jewish lives to accomplish this? Perhaps. However, putting that untidy matter aside, the holocaust STILL happened just the way we've said it happened — only with approx. 5.2 million deaths rather than 6 million." (Brenner's emendation)
So even though Brenner appears to be a turncoat by exposing the zionists for the proto-fascists they are, he's still keeping the overall myth of the holocaust alive. Still feeding the psyop which was so necessary to the state of Israel. This almost reminds me of what has been called a "limited hangout" by intelligence services — you know, where they divulge a bit of the embarrassing truth in order to keep the larger conspiracy intact.
Maybe I'm a slow learner, but after a few books and one good radio debate http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2010/04/is-holocaust-revisionism-legitimate.html I don't see why Brenner couldn't be right.
I never claimed to be a "fearless foe of Jewry."
It isn’t Eskimos doing what’s being done to the Palestinians, and it isn’t a faction of the Zulu nation leading the War Party in pursuit of transparently ethnic interests. There is a handful of anti-Zionist, anti-W.O.T. Jews but that objection’s valid only insofar as they in fact are identifying Jews, and we can separate Jews from Judaism, a tribal political-religion of which… aggression, ethnic cleansing, violent nationalism, etc., are intrinsic and celebrated elements.
Also, I don't like lies.
It can be observed that Kevin Barrett keeps repeating the lie about Ashkenazis being Europeans. So clearly it's a lie that he doesn't like lies.
When I got to the Syed interview I had the same response as Anonymous to Barrett’s comments about how ‘repeating the frame’ reinforces the psy-op and its immediate relevance to the holo psy-op. I’m not a huge fan of Michael Collins Piper but he’s right when he points out that the tendency of so many in the ‘Truth Movement’, especially Alex Jones and his numerous imitators, to constantly reference the holo and Hitler, tends inexorably to fix the answer to questions about Israel, Jewish activity in general, and race and nation issues globally, whether or not that’s the intention. And the programmed answer is: whatever organised Jewry says it is.
Frame 2: Zionism = Nazism. This frame sees the two extremist Euro-nationalist movements as very similar, and goes along with "whatever the Germans did to the Jews, it can't possibly justify the theft of a single square foot of Palestinian land." I find this one both accurate and useful from a PR perspective.
It isn’t accurate (again, the Ashkenazi Jews are an Asian people and Zionism is not only or even originally a movement arising in the Jewish colonies of Europe) — and pro-Palestinian PR when in conflict with prevailing Jewish agendas will never get anywhere when its first effect is to imprint the idea that Euro-man owes an unrepayable debt to Jewry. That’s even if the Jews didn’t drum this reminder into us ceaselessly via every major media outlet, and ceaselessly drum into us that Palestinians/Arabs are trying to finish what Hitler supposedly started.
That’s why Kevin Barrett’s endless and dishonest harping on historic examples of non-Nazi White/ Western / European aggression against others is also a shot to his own foot. Jews have been doing this already for decades, with a much greater claim on our consciences thanks to holo propaganda, and as a result Euro-man is psychologically incapable of making a self/Jew distinction, except to the Jews’ advantage (they’re allowed ethno-states, we’re not, etc.) But self/Jew distinctions are precisely what would be needed for Euro-man to see the Israeli/Palestinian conflict with unbiased eyes and to realise that all these wars are for Israel/Jewry and not for us. It’s a mistake for Muslims to adopt for PR purposes this Jewish strategy of bashing Whitey, they’re never gonna beat Jews in the battle to induce White self-sacrifice. Better that folks like Barrett should help persuade Europeans, including European Americans, to stand up for our own interests as peoples and recognise other peoples’ legitimate interests too.
To ‘re-frame’ race and nation issues so that he does not continue to contribute to the ongoing but differently managed genocides of Europeans and Muslims, Barrett should, whenever repeating any aspect of the Orthodox Jewish Version of WWII, make it absolutely clear that all peoples – not just Muslim peoples, and even peoples happening to be White – deserve to live free and unmolested in their homelands, regardless of how history is written by men like Howard Zinn, Raul Hilberg, Lenni Brenner, and the occasional non-Jew who gets published. (Idea copyright Kevin Barrett, this broadcast, 01h24m00s).
I don't see why Brenner couldn't be right.
When people are accused of murder it’s generally the prosecution that presents evidence.
Brenner respectfully cites Raul Hilberg who’s often called the Dean of Holocaust studies. Brenner only disputes Hilberg over his figure of 5.1 million Jews murdered by Hitler’s regime — saying it’s too low. But Hilberg, who wrote the standard reference on the OJV of the holo, The Destruction of the European Jews, so ought to know a lot about how the alleged genocide was carried out, also wrote:
… what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy…
I guess if the Nazis could achieve a ‘kill’ of 5,100,000 without a plan or budget or any responsible officer it’s only necessary to postulate some heretofore overlooked clerk with a few schillings and a sharp pencil to put behind the effort and you might easily boost the total to 6 million. Indeed, how could he fail?
The question really isn’t why Brenner and Hilberg couldn’t be right, but how they possibly could be right.
An amusing but very serious point about Hilberg's ridiculous attempt to explain away the total lack of evidence for a planned genocide (that surely would exist!):
It should be acknowledged that even Yad Vashem does not hold that there were death camps inside of Germany. This is very significant: every camp that might meet the conditions of the hypothetical death camps just happen to be those which were captured by the Red Army.
…there is strong reason to believe that the case you make that begins with the officers in these camps intuiting and carrying out the wishes of their superiors is not sustainable. Part of your case is plausible, that officers in the field understand their broader mandate and pursued it under their individual initiative, but how on earth could the Nazis have known in advance to only kill Jews in only those camps that would later be captured by the Soviets, rather than the Americans or the British?
Perhaps the Nazis really did have the Spear of Destiny and could use it to tell the future? But even accepting this – as we now must – do we go on to suppose that the Ahnererbe was sharing occult information with officers in charge of the camps, even morale crushing information about their eventual loss of the war?
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_fundamental_flaws_of_the_holocaust_cult/#c70538
http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/135-135/2253-genetic-studies-bring-new-hope-for-peace-between-jews-and-palestinians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetic_origins
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/palestinians.pdf
There are literally hundreds more confirming middle eastern origins for AJs.