My old pal and radio guest Jonathan Kay is upset about Tuesday’s interview with Alan Hart, which has gone viral during the past 48 hours.
In a piece headlined The Canadian Charger Magazine honours another 9/11 conspiracy theorist, Kay offers a perfect example of the debating technique of pro-Zionists and anti-truthers: (1) call your opponents names, and (2) lie shamelessly.
Kay begins his piece by labeling Hart a “9/11 conspiracy theorist.” In fact, anyone who thinks 9/11 was planned and carried out by more than one person must offer a theory about what is by definition a conspiracy. Therefore anyone who discusses responsibility for 9/11 is literally a conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately, this universal and thus completely empty term is often employed as an ad-hominem insult by those who have no rational or empirical arguments to back up their own conspiracy theory that 19 Arabs with box cutters and a guy in a cave on dialysis did 9/11. (Note: Even Alex “Oswald killed JFK” Cockburn is sick of this kind of anti-conspiracy-theory tripe.)
Kay also uses the ad hominem technique in labeling me a “truther.” While I might accurately be called a member of the 9/11 truth movement, I doubt that Kay would label another Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist professor with a different opinion on this issue an “anti-truther” or “official story apologist.” He is picking and choosing labels he thinks will be prejudicial–a classic use of the ad hominem fallacy.
After quoting my blog entry on the Alan Hart interview, Kay finishes his piece:
Kay suggests that Hart (who is neither a Muslim nor a Marxist) and I (a non-Marxist Muslim) blame Zionists for all the crimes known to humanity. This is, of course, an outrageous lie. Neither Hart nor I have ever blamed Zionists for the U.S. slaughter of millions of Vietnamese, Pol Pot’s atrocities in Cambodia, the CIA’s torture-murder of a million Indonesians in the mid-1960s, the genocide of the Native Americans, the African slave trade holocaust…the list could go on until it included the vast majority of “crimes known to humanity” or at least to Hart and me.
Since Kay’s statement follows his quote from my blog entry about the Hart interview, he is implying that the evidence that Hart and I blame Zionists for all the crimes known to humanity is to be found in that quote. The specific crimes mentioned in that quote are, in order of appearance:
1) The Israeli massacre of U.S.S. Liberty crewmen in 1967.
2) 9/11
3) The “loose nukes” attempt to steal nuclear weapons from Minot Air Force Base in August, 2007.
4) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
All historians agree that Zionists — meaning those actively attempting to create and maintain a Jewish state in Palestine — are responsible for crimes 1 and 4. As for crimes 2 and 3, there is very strong evidence for heavy Zionist involvement in crime 2, and enough circumstantial evidence to make the Cheney-Zionist cabal that did 9/11 prime suspects in crime 3.
Whether or not you agree with me about crimes 2 and 3, you must admit that neither Hart nor I have done anything remotely like “blaming ‘Zionists’ for all the crimes known to humanity.” Kay’s statement is a lie. A lie, used deliberately or recklessly in an attempt to denigrate a person, is called libel.
Kay’s piece also seems Islamophobic. By pejoratively calling the Canadian Charger “the folks who brought you the Canadian Islamic Congress” Kay seems to be suggesting that there is something wrong with being “Islamic.” If a journalist for a major North American newspaper implied that the word “Jewish” is pejorative, by scorning “the folks who brought you the Canadian Jewish Congress,” would that not suggest anti-Semitism? So why are the rules different for things Islamic?
Kay’s fallacious, mendacious, seemingly-racist* piece ducks the real issue: Actual evidence for and against the proposition that 9/11 was a false-flag operation with heavy Zionist involvement. Most of the world’s Muslims think it was (as do a great many non-Muslim experts). Most of the world’s Jews, and those who get their information from Jewish-dominated media, disagree.
The way to settle this debate is by airing and arguing the facts — not by lying, spinning, waxing racist, and using ad hominem attacks.
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*While Islam is a religion of all races, in North America, Islamophobia is a form of racism, because Muslims are viewed as brown-skinned foreigners.
Way to break it down Kevin. Great Job.
You're a douche.
We douches sure know how to break it down ; – )
I thought all muslims were dark skinned black haired with large mouths which are open and screaming kill Jews, kill Christians, kill democracy, kill anyone who won't submit to our insanity. your a white guy who obviously hates Jews and has found the perfect home. any sane person who is not obsessing over their own self-defined victimization would see 9-11 for what it is, an attack on the west by islamo-fascists intent on destroying us.
"(1) call your opponents names…"
David, you said it better than I ever could. You're living proof that Islamophobia = racism. I rest my case.
If by douche, you mean I am anti-Zionist. Then yes, I am the biggest douche around.
David says "an attack on the west by islamo-fascists"
There is a comedian who suggests that stupid people all wear signs saying "STUPID" so that we will recognize them when we see them. No need. As soon as anyone seriously makes a reference to "islamo-fascists" we instantly know that they are stupid. While the word may be popular with the (stupid) main stream media, anyone with even the most absolutely basic understanding of Islam or with the meaning of the word fascism knows that "islamo-fascist" is an null term.
Sorry David; you are poorly informed and brainwashed.
Kevin you are awesome.
Anonymous 1 and David are shills spewing the same tired propaganda and were probably not breast fed by their crackhead whore mothers.
Sorry Kevin, I had to go there.
1. The perpetual growth paradigm is done and done due to the end of cheap and reality available oil.
2. Fractional reserve banking and successful capital markets require perpetual growth.
3. Chronic high unemployment and reductions in the standard of living in the US are the new norm and will accelerate going forward.
4. This is no surprise to world decision makers who are well prepared to suppress civil unrest and revolutionary movements without Constitutional concerns.
5. 911 was necessary to expedite the change to a national security state before the shit really hit the fan….coming soon.
6. Anarchy is not good for anyone.
Let us look forward to the day when the "cover-up queens" are stripped of their crowns and gowns and tried for treasonous crimes against this Nation (and possibly the world in general). Until that day call me a "truther or 911 conspiracy theorist". I would stake my life on it, would they?
The over riding issue for all the world {civilized} is when did "Jewishness" appear in the Historical record, separate from the Israelites who have never been, and are not now "Jewish". Khazar – Ashkenazim converts to talmudic judaism, will never be Israel, nor Israelites. Which KINDA begs the question…
maybe it is time to simply move on -it is really important to delve further? -the slight discrepancies about 911 I am sure could be resolved by compromise. Can we not huddle together in prayer and trust our leaders will make this war on terror and freedom even half as successful as the war on drugs.
Islamaphobia is a rational response in a world where Islamists cut peoples heads off and burn down Christian Churches
Kevin….You got it right!!!
"A lie, used deliberately or recklessly in an attempt to denigrate a person, is called libel."
Ok, so you will be filing papers to begin the lawsuit right? Otherwise you can whine and cry all you want but it's not going to be effective. Start holding these media hacks accountable for their statements!
I am 9/11 Truth, Call me a "Truther" It is a label I wear proudly!
Another good one to link to..
from FlybyNews.com – Thanks..
Great Work, Kevin
and patience for this mad mad world of ours.
It's patently obvious that the strain of this blog and the majority of the comments is a blatant hatred of Jews, and Israel. You can couch it in whatever cloak you want but thats the bottom line. And their all anonymous. When push comes to shove and the nukes start flying I'll be backing Israel all the way. Back in the iran hostage era, you look old enough to remember kev, there was a joke going around, "whats flat and black and glows in the dark? iran when Reagan is finished with them." If thats what you and your ilk want, 72 virgins and all that, then its coming. get ready.
Perfectly normal to refer to Muslims as " brown skinned " see page 346 from" The Age of Warrior" selected writings by Robert Fisk, re Jonathon Kay…Sarah and I ( truther and non 9/11 truther) are troubled with Kay's journalistic integrity.
just as well 'king' david doesn't have the codes. all non-jews would all be fried already.
I prefer to refer to it as the "Lamestream Media." And I believe of the 6 major media organizations in the US, one is run by Murdoch — an ardent Zionist/neocon whose mom was Jewish — and the rest by Zionist Jews. "Fair and balanced," indeed!
David give back your passport and citizenship and be brave go to your israel… fight for your through country… obviously ynot the USA or any other western countries… now that your masters are claiming that they rule the world, you should have some courage, live the west and fight your dream … why are hidding behind wasp soldiers ?
David said…
I thought all muslims were dark skinned black haired with large mouths which are open and screaming kill Jews..etc.
Well, well, after uttering all these idiotic and thoughtless words, you prove that you are unable to have any thoughts.
Islam is behind the truther movement. How one can ignore all the videos of Muslims around the world shouting Allah Akbar the day of and the days following 911 is beyond me.
The media and blogs were forever highlighting just how dumb Bush was; yet accuse him of masterminding 911. The "inside job" ploy has proved itself useful throughout history. Islam laughs at you all – they can now cry Islamophobia and build mosques on sacred ground which they have down throughtout the centuries – temple mount etc. You are useful to them for now.
Let me guess it had to be Bush because we were warned in an episode of the Simpsons. Steele never melts and only Bush could have planted explosives, not the unionized, under Muslim control, much like CUPE in Canada, buillding maintenance crew.
Orwellian name – truthers, on the level of Canadain Human Rights Commissions that are anything but about human rights – perhaps fake rights -like not to be offended which Islam loves and makes great use of, traded for real rights like freedom of speech. Want to see the Muslim CUPE Union in Canada in action?
Check it out: http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2010/05/ali-mallah-cupe-union-thug-assaults.html
Want to know what Islam is really about? Here is a course for you Islam 101: http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html
Good work. Keep telling the truth. The truth will always infuriate the liars, who will usually resort to name-calling and casting the blame upon the truth-tellers rather than upon themselves.
Mongoloid alert. ^^^
What these worm zionists do not seem to understand in their tiny little minds is that I and many others do not support Palestine or Islam, you are our targets and your diversionary tactics will not work.
Those types of tactics work on idiots like you and your friends; the type of morons who fall for cheap marxist tactics.
Have fun at Jihad watch, Campus watch, and all the other little voyeuristic organisations created for tosspots like yourself. In the mean time, I will sit back and enjoy watching Israel Implode.
Grant Smith, Jeff Blankfort, James Petras, Gilad Atzmon and Kevin Barrett: keep up the good work, the tide is turning.
Why are Khazars always trying to warn me about the dangers of Islam? Khazars moan about the evagelicals trying to convert everyone but Khazars are the worst for attempting to force their opinions onto everyone else, just like their upbringing in a retarded culture forced opinions on them.
Theyre the biggest fucking hypocrites the world has ever known, yapping 24/7 bout Islam then calling others anti-Jewish. How anyone can be proud to belong to this group of childish shitstirring bastards is beyond me. I guess it must boil down to animal instincts and individual weakness.
"All historians agree that Zionists — meaning those actively attempting to create and maintain a Jewish state in Palestine — are responsible for crimes 1 and 4."
ALL historians? Really. Seems a bit of a generalization, especially since you insist on using the somewhat flexible terms "massacre", "Zionist" and "ethnic cleansing." I suspect I might be able to find one or two historians that disagree with these assertions.
Also: I can't find any "*strong evidence* for heavy Zionist involvement in crime 2."
-Leo
Mr. Barrett, If the U.S. govt. said eating the corn out of someone elses shit was not only healthy but, also the patriotic thing to do, people like Mr. Kay would call anyone who vomitted after taking this advice a jew hating, conspiracy whack job. I am sure Mr. Kay is paid quite well for spreading ignorance. Sadly, I am also sure he knows the truth. He's just another evil piece of shit.
Strong evidence?
If Saddam's intelligence agents had set up cameras on the Jersey shore, trained them on the WTC, caught the first plane impact, wildly celebrated the destruction of the Towers, and later convinced that they had been sent there to "document the event…" would anyone have called that strong evidence against Saddam? So why the double-standard?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html?q=fiveisraelis.html
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book
Background: http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2941
-Kevin Barrett